Thursday, May 31, 2007

My Favourite Feminist Quotes

I came across this video on YouTube today, it's worth watching. Thanks to the excellent new site GenderWar.Org for pointing it out.

It's good to see such a young man having such well-developed ideas about feminism. People are getting wise to the racket now. You can't maintain the tissue of lies for ever. You can only persecute dissidents for so long. Sooner or later the truth will out. Berlin Walls have a nasty habit of coming down eventually. It just takes time. With regard to feminism, that process is already well and truly started. Twentieth Century totalitarianism's last bastion is beginning to crack now...

Anyway, as a result of seeing that video, I was inspired to dig out some of my favourite feminist quotes. So here, for your edification and delight, is a small selection.

"My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter."
Marilyn French; The Woman's Room.

"All men are rapists and that's all they are."
Marilyn French, Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.)

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."
Catherine MacKinnon

"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it."
Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan.

"The media treat male assaults on women like rape, beating, and murder of wives and female lovers, or male incest with children, as individual aberrations...obscuring the fact that all male violence toward women is part of a concerted campaign."
Marilyn French

"Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release."
Germaine Greer.

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience."
Catherine Comin, Vassar College. Assistant Dean of Students.

"Men's sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can 'reach WITHIN women to fuck/construct us from the inside out.' Satan-like, men possess women, making their wicked fantasies and desires women's own. A woman who has sex with a man, therefore, does so against her will, 'even if she does not feel forced.'
Judith Levine

"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo."
Valerie Solanas, SCUM Manifesto

"Women have their faults / men have only two: / everything they say / everything they do."
Popular Feminist Graffiti

"All men are good for is fucking, and running over with a truck".
Statement made by A University of Maine Feminist Administrator, quoted by Richard Dinsmore, who brought a successful civil suit against the University in the amount of $600,000. Richard had protested the quote; was dismissed thereafter on the grounds of harassment; and responded by bringing suit against the University. 1995 settlement.

"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig."
Andrea Dworkin; from her book Ice and Fire .

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."
Robin Morgan, Ms. Magazine Editor.

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies."
Andrea Dworkin

"In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."
Catharine MacKinnon, quoted in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies.

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist".
Ti-Grace Atkinson, Amazon Odyssey (p. 86).

"(Rape) is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear".
Susan Brownmiller, Against Our Will p.6.

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..."
Sheila Jeffrys.

"If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal--a large beginning class of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students--I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment...of persuading students that women are oppressed," said Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University, as quoted in Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women.

"Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex."
Valerie Solanas, SCUM Manifesto (Society for Cutting Up Men.)

"Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism".
Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10

There are plenty more where that came from. Click here

Now try reading it again, but this time substitute the word 'Jew' instead of 'Man'. Cute huh? Do these feminists remind you of anybody?


Anonymous said...

Very disturbing indeed.Whats really disturbing is to hear such crudely worded and hateful remarks coming,not from street people in the inner city,but "professors" of academia(if you can actually call them professors,lol)

Anastasia said...

When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..."

this would have to be the silliest quote I've come across, and it would be interesting to throw back other things to the person behind the quote, such as how the situation would differ if a woman reached orgasm with a woman, or on her own. An orgasm is an orgasm. It makes little difference.

The word patriarchy has been overused, is overused. In my opinion, women's issues relate more to commerce (advertising, corporations, etc) rather than a set or distinct patriarchal group. When feminists use the term patriarchy, they use it because it enables them to categorize something easily.

Anonymous said...

Although the quotes are disturbing, the idea that the basic of feminism which is equality between both genders is something that I see no opposition for. Everyone wants to remain blind to the obvious inequalities that exist today and because these women chose to not be dainty and quiet and be forceful just shows that sometimes ppl are just unwilling to hear women any other way.

Heretic said...

Dear Anonymous,
These statements are simply indefensible, and there is no point in trying to defend them. You are saying in effect, "It's not really their fault, it's society's fault".

The sexual inequalities in society today largely advantage women and disadvantage men - look at the family courts for a good example.

Men have worse health, die younger, do all the most dangerous jobs, are more likely to become homeless, mentally ill, go to prison, commit suicide, less likely to go to universtiy. Less money is spent on their health, even though they work harder, they retire later, and so on and so on.

You simply cannot claim that women are second class citizens in society when they are plainly so advantaged. What exactly is it that you feel you are being deprived of? The feminist mindset has become a habit of long use; it is no longer based on any actual disadvantage.

Even if women were disadvantaged, it is no excuse for fascism and hatred. The only way to address genuine problems in society is by thinking clearly, and promoting justice, not promoting hatred.

This stuff about being dainty and quiet is a red herring.

Anonymous said...

radical feminism is not the same as feminism. that's like saying the kkk is the same as Christianity. like any movement, it is unrealistic to act as if everyone has identical veiws, picking the most extreme ant-man examples is a very narrow selection. And in many cases, there are good reasons for the things he says in his video, but he doesn't talk about them.

Silver Hands said...

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that you have hand-picked the most extreme quotes, from RADICAL feminists, that you could possibly find. FYI, there are many different kinds of feminist, and the vast majority of feminists are LIBERAL FEMINISTS. It's not as though anti-feminists never say anything nasty and uncalled for about feminists, or as though men never say nasty and uncalled for things about women. However, I think that would be unnecessarily negative, and I don't think that a list like that or a list like yours proves anything.

Here are some of my favorite feminist quotes, some of the ones you don't seem to like. Maybe because you don't want to know about feminists who don't hate men because you disagree with us?

Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings - Cheris Kramerae, author

Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its
battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions.. for safety on the streets... for child care, for social welfare...for rape crisis
centers, women's refuges, reforms in the law." (If someone says) 'Oh, I'm not a feminist,' (I ask) 'Why? What's your problem?'
- Dale Spender, author

I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat. - Rebecca West, author

Feminism is the advocacy of political, economic and social equality between women and
- Feminist Majority Foundation

A feminist is anyone who recognizes the equality and full humanity of women and men." - Gloria Steinem, author

A feminist is a person who answers "yes" to the question, "Are women human?" Feminism is not about whether women are better than, worse than or identical with men. It's about justice, fairness, and access to the broad range of human experience. It's about women consulting their own
well-being and being judged as individuals rather than as members of a class
with one personality, one social function, one road to happiness. It's about women having intrinsic value as persons rather than contingent value as a means to an end for others."
- Katha Pollitt, journalist

Dear, Dear Gentlemen,

It has come to our attention that you harbor some misconceptions about us and our intentions, ones which we most fervently hope to dissuade you of, because these misunderstandings and falsehoods are preventing us from working together towards a more balanced society. Allow us to reassure you:

1. We do not wish to castrate you. We have no desire to have your testicles in jars of formaldehyde on our nightstands.

2. You may rest easy. We are not asking for a complete role reversal in which we put you in the positions which we have occupied these many thousands of years; we do not want to confine you to home, cooking and cleaning, caring for the children, and bringing us a beer while we watch the game after a long, hard day at the Senate. We admit to sometimes having playful revenge fantasies about it, but not really.

3. Some of us are lesbians, but most of us aren't. Many of us are adamantly checking out your hindquarters as you walk by. Most of us can, in fact, “get a man” if we so wish.

4. A lot of us like lipstick and the occasional short skirt. It’s just that we don’t like to be expected to wear these items.

5. We want you to think that we’re hot, just as you want us to find you physically attractive; it’s fine that you like our breasts. It’s just that we want you to realize that there is a fully functional brain behind our long-lashed eyes, and a human heart beating beneath those jugs.

6. We like sex. No, really. We do.

7. Most of us appreciate that you’ve been opening doors for us. That’s very nice of you. But (contrary to some of the things we’ve heard you muttering) that really doesn’t make you the gender that is being oppressed and subordinated. We’re sorry, but opening an occasional door or even picking up the tab at Red Lobster does not “even the score”, and if you think that it does then you have not been paying attention. For example, we would gladly trade your chivalrous portal opening skills and the $23.45 you just paid for dinner… for equal wages.

8. We’re not blaming you for everything (a good bit of it is our bad), and we don’t think that we’re the only ones suffering from the current state of affairs. For example, we imagine that it must suck that if you actually want to stay home with the kids instead of climbing the corporate ladder then you’re labeled a big ol’ wuss who’s been whipped. We are also aware that since sexism is largely an unconscious social construct, only a very small number of you are ever actually consciously trying to "keep women in their place” and an equally small number of you are even aware that there's a problem to be addressed. But we give you kudos when you are willing to allow yourselves to be made aware of the issue and the proposed solutions to it.

9. The dictionary defines feminism as "the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men." Feminism does not claim the superiority of women, nor does it involve man-hating. Indeed, it is not even an all-girls club. Chicks dig feminist guys.

10. Actually, we are not particularly angry, and we are not perpetually PMSing. We just want change and we’re starting to get impatient about it because it’s been a really, really long wait for us.

We cannot achieve equality without you. You are the other half of the equation, the other half of humanity, and we regret to assert that you are the ones in power. With power comes responsibility, responsibility which we are happy to share with you. We hope very much that you will consider dropping the baseless fears some of you hold about us, because we think of you as our allies, not our enemies. Ours is not a "war of the sexes." Ours is a war on sexism. We invite you to enlist.

Much Love,

- Erica Little-Heron

When women and men understand that working to eradicate patriarchal domination is a struggle rooted in the longing to make a world where everyone can live fully and freely, then we know our work to be a gesture of love. Let us draw upon that love to heighten our awareness, deepen our compassion, intensify our courage, and strengthen our commitment. - Bell Hooks

Feminism promotes freedom from constraints imposed on men and women by their gendered roles. It is social conditioning, not the biology of being male or female that burdens men as the sole providers of women, and conditions women to be dependent on men. - Nighat Gandhi

We live in a society that tolerates, and in some ways encourages, a lot of cruelty. Pornographers make money selling images of men humiliating women sexually. Boys will casually refer to a girl as a 'ho or a slut without thinking of the pain it causes. And men talk about how women they abuse "deserved it" or "asked for it." It can be painful to face these facts, especially in the arena of our intimate and sexual lives. But I have found that turning away from those painful realities is not a solution. This world will allow us to be selfish and cruel. But if we want something beyond that, we can't turn away from the pain that women and girls live with.

Nor can we turn away from the feeling in our own gut that being tough, being aggressive, being dominant -- that being a "man" in the way we so often get taught to be a man -- is not only keeping us from being able to touch with love, but to feel love."
- Robert Jensen

There are many, many others but this comment is far too long as it is. I just think it's important that people who identify as anti-feminists and mens rightists understand that feminism is not all about hating men, and that feminists are trying to destroy sexism (which oppresses women AND men).

Heretic said...

Dear Silverhands,
Thank you for your comment. I too regard myself as a liberal. Big time. In the European sense of the word.

It seems to me that if you put your name to a movement which makes statements such as these, then you obviously endorse them. I don't hear liberal women like you doing anything to keep feminism on track. It IS a girl's club, because you absolutely will not challenge your friends. And sadly, these are the people who are really calling the shots in the movement, not you. Until women like you stand up for yourselves, and your menfolk, I will have a job to do. You allow yourself to be dominated and cowed by a minority of disturbed lesbians. If you call yourself a feminist, then have the guts to put your house in order.

Silver Hands said...

Heretic, the thing is that the word Feminist really only means a person who believes that men and women are entitled to equal rights and equal respect. It is a common misconception that Feminism is one homogenous group with one agenda that we all agree on. In reality, feminists are diverse - a feminist can be of any age, culture, political affiliation, profession, nationality, race, religion, sex (male or female), sexuality etc. Our opinions are just as diverse.

Calling myself a Feminist doesn't mean that I endorse every comment made by other Feminists. When you say that you're a Liberal, does that mean that you endorse everything said by any other Liberal? Of course not. Do you have to put the house of Liberalism in order before you get to be a Liberal, or does that only apply to Feminists?

I disagree that Feminism is a "Girl's Club" because there are MALE feminists as well. Liberal Feminists DO CHALLENGE radical feminists whenever we disagree with them, and by no means do any one group of feminists get to "call the shots" within the movement. Also, I don't want you to get the impression that ALL radical feminists are man-hating or think like the ones you have quoted, those are the some of the most extreme Radicals. Sometimes too, the arguments of Feminists are misrepresented, e.g. many people think that Andrea Dworkin once said that all heterosexual sex is rape but she never ACTUALLY said that.

As for Liberal Feminists being dominated and cowed by a minority of disturbed lesbians, being a Feminist (even a Radical Feminist) doesn't mean you are a Lesbian. If Feminists were easily cowed by differing views, they couldn't be Feminists. Many people think it's acceptable to make argumentum ad hominem arguments against Feminists - e.g. Feminists are just ugly, hairy, man-hating, power-hungry, lesbians/couldn't get a man if they tried etc - without actually trying to engage with Feminist ARGUMENTS.

Anonymous said...

These are cherry-picked quotes intended to paint feminists as maniacs. Notice there are no quotes by any credible feminists, such as Gloria Steinem, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison, or Virginia Woolf. C'mom. Get serious. I'm sure I could find a bunch of quotes made my men and claim all men hated women. It's just silly to try and say these quotes at all represent feminism. They represent an extreme feminist COUNTERCULTURE that is not even accepted amongst normal, reasonable feminists.

Anonymous said...

First off I want to say that I am a man and consider myself a feminist. I agree with and advocate, equal pay for equal work, equal career advancement for equal achievement, increasing child care opportunities and decreasing cost, etc. However I am discouraged by those bigots (that is what they are) who feel that the only way to get equality for women is to bring down men. While these are certainly only a portion of feminists, I do feel that they are extremely damaging to the cause; especially because some of these bigots are in the leadership, just one example:

"Most women are one man away from welfare. ~Gloria Steinem"

This implies that (most) men are both disloyal and that they don't care for their children, tragically some men behave this way but I think “most” is a gross mischaracterization. This, to me is just unacceptable coming from a recognized leader of the movement, nominally against sexism.

We still have a long way to go when it comes to societal equality and we need to keep fighting to secure and protect women’s rights. However, I think it is also important at least to acknowledge the areas where women get an advantage over men (this too should be fought by feminists who want equality). One of the most prevalent such situation is custody of children. Currently the courts overwhelmingly favor women and I believe this to be just as damaging to the cause of feminism as the pay gap. I think it a mistake for feminists to espouse the animal farm doctrine of “everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.”(paraphrase)

Feminism will not get significant male support until misandrists (man-haters) are treated with the same disdain as misogynists. I know that I, and many men like me will do all that they can to support equality, but when some in the movement try to hijack feminism to promote an anti-male agenda then I would have to be a fool to help. Unfortunately any male publicly denouncing these misandrists is met with cries of misogyny.

Heretic said...

"Notice there are no quotes by any credible feminists, such as Gloria Steinem, Alice Walker, Toni Morrison, or Virginia Woolf."

Steinem? Woolf? What strange company you keep.

"The average American woman lives in a comfortable concentration camp"

These people are the most privileged group in human history, and they have devoted their lives to spewing hatred. We have to start examining their real motivations. These people are essentially female Nazis. If they should ever win, the world will be a much, much worse place, not a better place.

Heretic said...

"First off I want to say that I am a man and consider myself a feminist. I agree with and advocate, equal pay for equal work, equal career advancement for equal achievement, increasing child care opportunities and decreasing cost, etc."

I am a man and I consider myself a liberal. All of these issues that you mention are covered by classical liberalism. There is no need to be a 'feminist'. These are not 'women's issues'; they have just been appropriated by the feminist movement in the last 40 years.

I concur with all of these goals, except perhaps the one about child-care. You had them, you take responsibility for them. Feminists are trying to convince us that they somehow have a right to have children, but no responsibility towards those children; that the State, or someone else, should take care of them. That is not reasonable.

"We still have a long way to go when it comes to societal equality and we need to keep fighting to secure and protect women’s rights."

I disagree. What do you mean by equality? Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome? We already have the former - indeed, women have far more opportunities than men. It makes no sense at all to demand the latter - you cannot have the same outcome for everyone, because people make different choices, and anyway, why would you want it? The world would be a very boring place.

It sounds as thought you have started to transcend your own social programming a little. You need to turn that switch all the way around the dial. Virus scan your own brain. We have these millionaires sitting in their penthouses telling us what victims they are, while men sleep on the streets. It is nonsense. Look at the evidence and wake up.

Women have evolved to manipulate men, and men have evolved to be manipulated by women. Do you think you can gain the approval of women by promoting feminist causes? Let me assure you, you will not. Do you see yourself as a knight in shining armor riding to rescue the damsel, and winning her heart? Forget it.

We are chimpanzees. Women are female chimpanzees. That's it.

Anonymous said...

I bet none of you men writing on this site can get dates.

Heretic said...

Dear Silverhands,
I was going to spend time writing a long reply to you, as I can pick apart every one of your quotes and every one of your points. However, in the mean time, I suggest you go back and read the feminist quotes I listed, and read them properly this time. There is abundant evidence that Dworkin held the totalitarian heterophobic views attributed to her; indeed she was proud to be associated with them within feminist circles - it is only when challenged in the mainstream media that she denies it in order to defend her own reputation. Neither was she alone. Catherine MacKinnon, Mary Daly and many others think the same way. These people are neo-Nazis. Just face it. If you defend them, you are an idiot.

Heretic said...

"I bet none of you men writing on this site can get dates."

As it happens I am sitting here next to my gorgeous foreign girlfriend.

Read my article 'Never date Western Women'. I wouldn't consider dating a feminist. I don't care what you look like, or what you do in bed. I'm just not interested in you.

ForeignWomenOnly said...

The problem with accepting the attitudes of Misandry/Feminism is the same problem with accepting any attitude of Self Supremacy. If somebody were to say that any other hate group was beneficial, they would be called out for that support. However, women who can accept the attitude of Female Supremacy of the extremist Fascists/Stalinists of Misandry/Feminism without being called out by men. Any other group, besides women, who advocates Self Supremacy is called out for their hatred, but millions of women do it every day with 100% impunity. Female Supremacists can and should rightfully be called Misandrists. The same is true of women who are hostile toward men. Any group, besides women, that is hostile toward any other group, is called out for their hatred, but millions of women are hostile toward men every day with 100% impunity. Women who are hostile toward men can and should rightfully be called Misandrists.

minerva said...

This is a classic case of cheery-picking - as several have noted, we could just as easily find quotes that demonstrate "liberals" hate women, or Jews, or Blacks, or whatever.

One comment here is a clear example of misunderstanding quotes:

Most women are one man away from welfare. ~Gloria Steinem"

The comment said: "This implies that (most) men are both disloyal and that they don't care for their children, tragically some men behave this way but I think “most” is a gross mischaracterization."

You have clearly misunderstood this quote. It's not about *men* or whether men are disloyal at all - it's about economics, and the fact that most women who do not have the support of a male wage have great difficulty in living above the poverty line, especially if they have children. It's about women's economic status, not about men's emotional or social behaviours.

But that's a key idea that many anti-feminists cannot seem to grasp: that a statement may not be about men at all. The desire to see man-hating in a feminist statement has lead to this very poor understanding of what is a very commonplace economic analysis.

(and before anyone goes off about professional White women and all the money they can make, remember I said 'most' not all women, and include working class women and women of colour here, two groups very much historically vulnerable).

Heretic said...

"it's about economics, and the fact that most women who do not have the support of a male wage have great difficulty in living above the poverty line, especially if they have children"

It is rich indeed that the Left would lecture the rest of us about basic economics. They prefer to see conspiracy instead of simple supply and demand (e.g. portrayals of women - but not men - in the media). They think that the government should just finance their lifestyles from a big pool of money somewhere.

However, worse than that, minerva, your statement seems to be an argument in favour of marriage and the family, and thus to contradict everything that feminsts have been saying for 40 years. You seem to be demanding an increase in male wages!

Steinem was saying that men cannot be relied upon to provide for women, and therefore the state should do it instead (She was a communist). In other words, she was accusing men of being unreliable and disloyal in order to justify state intervention in the family and economic life.

Whatever the situation was at the time she wrote that, it certainly isn't like that now. Women can choose to live off a man, get a part-time or full time job, have children or not have children, and wear whatever they like to work. If they have children the state will support them. If they get bored of their husbands, they can have them removed from the marital home on a single word, and take everything. Over 90% of the homeless in the UK are men. If we are so economically privileged as a group, how do you explain that?

Heretic said...

"But that's a key idea that many anti-feminists cannot seem to grasp: that a statement may not be about men at all."

"Men are rapists and that is all they are."

What exactly is the acceptable interpretation of that?

Heretic said...

"Many people think it's acceptable to make argumentum ad hominem arguments against Feminists - e.g. Feminists are just ugly, hairy, man-hating, power-hungry, lesbians/couldn't get a man if they tried etc - without actually trying to engage with Feminist ARGUMENTS."

You will struggle to find a single ad hominem attack anywhere on my blog, and in fact I frequently accuse feminists of exactly that:

"I bet none of you men writing on this site can get dates."

I, and others, precisely ARE engaging with feminist arguments. They are, in general, pathetically easy to see through once you put your emotions to one side and look at the facts. Women, and therefore feminists, specialise in emotionally-manipulative stories rather than hard evidence. That is also probably why they don't do so well in the sciences, and why everything you see around you was built by men.

Heretic said...

Silverhands: "Maybe because you don't want to know about feminists who don't hate men because you disagree with us?"

Disagree with you about what? You refuse to say what you believe in. Feminsts can be just anyone and believe just anything apparently.

This is pure cowardice on your part. If you refuse to be drawn on anything, then you can't be chanllenged - the downside is, we don't have to pay any attention to you, because you have nothing substantial to say.

Kate said...

I used to call myself a feminist. As I started learning about all the different fractions and belief systems I became overwhelmed and realized that it is not so easy to put a label on myself. Especially as a heterosexual white woman, I love my partner and I frequently realize how feminist assumptions, particularly radical advocates such as Andrea Dworkin have hurt him, and have hurt me - out ability to interact successfully is diminished when ideas such as all intercourse is rape all being advocated.

Instead I choose the definition of feminism that bell hooks advocates: feminism is the movement to abolish sexist oppression.

Many feminists, especially nonwhite nonupper class feminists, or pro-feminist people believe that striving to be equal to "men" is classist and racist as the structure in this society is set up to oppress others. Attempting to achieve equality under this system only will oppress others.

Therefore, I advocate feminism. I am not a femininist. I work to point out and understand sexist oppression and how that interlocks with other forms of oppression and that is what I do. I advocate safe spaces for both me and my partner to be able to come forward and talk about how sexism and the ideology that supports us has hurt us deeply, especially as children.

The man in the video is interesting, I wish more people could have access to Third Wave feminism or social constructionist because the radical man hating quotes that are posted in your website and that the man in the video is constantly being exposed to are not the only quotes from feminist women.

Heretic, I completley appreciate the quote "Even if women were disadvantaged, it is no excuse for fascism and hatred."

Men are not the enemy. Men are disadvantaged in this society and that needs to be accounted for.

As I am writing this I find myself thinking do I really advocate feminism? Now that I have written all of this? I am not sure. I am in a Gender Studies program and am currently in Feminist Theory and the more I learn the more I realize that some ideas are really good and can be used for everyone, not just women. And so then maybe feminism really is a word that needs to be retired, or maybe I need a new movement. A movement that doesn't believe oppression can be ranked and that gender oppression is the most important. A movement or ideology that values men and variations of gender and sexuality.

I appreciate your blog. Interesting thoughts have been raised in my mind.

elissaF said...

All of the quotes "made over the years" are older than you.

Some are outdated by 35 years.

Some (like McKinnon) were disavowed by other feminists the year they were published.


Here's my problem. I'm a feminist who believes strongly (and is active) in ending men's oppression.

I hate that these quotes exist, that they were stated in the first place.

I hate that the feminist movement, in struggling out of the sheer weight of yesteryear's oppressions. didn't consider men as possibly allies, as friends, as loved ones.

It beaks my heart that you and I are probably so much in agreement about how people should live free and how we should be treated respectfully and well and outside of the various oppressions.

But there's this word that separates us.

Where do we go from here, Heretic?

Heretic said...

"Where do we go from here, Heretic?"

elissaF, thank you for your comment. You sound like a very genuine person. Where do we go from here? The feminist movement has to be knocked off its perch. If it refuses to be honest or to talk rational sense, it does not deserve the moral authority it enjoys.

We can all start by reading

bunga-rumput said...

feminist is a process of being.
a feminist would fight for equality and justice not only for women but also the voiceless.

keep our sisterhood
for the better world
the better world for women and child is the better world for all

Anonymous said...

"the better world for women and child is the better world for all"

I hope to god that this was a sarcastic comment, but i cant be shure given the qoutes i have seen in this form and elsewhere.

Btw, some people claim that the dictionary says that feminism is the belief that all sexes are equal. Well, the dictionary also defines conmunism as " A system in which all goods are owned in common and avalable to all as needed"

Does that sound like Hitler to you?

Claire said...

So I just happened upon this page from a google search. It wasn't until I reached the bottom that I realized you, the author, did not actually admire these quotes! I saved quite a few of them as I love them all. Thanks!

Heretic said...

@Claire - you're welcome.

Brynn said...

"My feminism is humanism, with the weakest being those who I represent, and that includes many beings and life forms, including some men."
-Sandra Cisneros

jacksambuck said...

"Most women are one man away from welfare." ~Gloria Steinem"
Yeah, they're also one man away from WARfare, dying on their workplace, dying in a shipping accident, dying in general.
One thing needs to be cleared up : If war comes, or if the ship goes down, I won't be that guy. Don't worry, u won't get any "benevolent sexism" from me ! Just a nice request to go die in my place.

Heretic : "Liberal, in the european sense" : Again, we agree ! Also called "classical", "real", "true". How did the americans manage to hijack that one ? Get your own brilliant ideas and prestige, you socialist cretins !

AnnabelleLeigh said...

I'm not a feminist, though my mother has been working to pull me over to "the Dark Side." Seeing this bolstered my resolve to continue resisting her attempts. These quotes are just horrifying.